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DEEP SPACE 20 => DS20 Engineering Station => Topic started by: Tyqel on July 02, 2005, 05:45:07 AM

Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Tyqel on July 02, 2005, 05:45:07 AM
*Tyqel walks up to mr. Fisher*

"Sir, here is that PADD you wanted."

*glances at Hobson*

"Hobson...Tom Hobson?"

"My human Grandfather told me about how he helped you out of a....tight intell situation, its a pleasure to meet you."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Richard Ransom on July 05, 2005, 02:00:06 AM
*INCOMING SUBSPACE TRANSMISSION*
==^== This is Admiral  Richard Ransom of Windsor Division currently Windsor Division has a Soverign class  Re-Fit  starship witch is a good ship all the same but the mandate for Windsor Division is to be a jack of old trades as the old earth saying goes i would like to start a project on a new class of starship whichs fits with the maindate if Windsor divistion this starship must be a top of the line scoat ship a Marine ship a Intel and FSS and a Battleship all put into one in order to do any mission at all in expanstion currently Iam at Deep Space 12 and Iam willing to make a stop at Deep Space 20 en route to Starbase 12 if you whant me to make a stop or to arrange meeting due contact me on the U.S.S Windsor.
Admiral Ransom out.==^==
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 05, 2005, 07:06:08 AM
*thinks some more*

"Well, how do you plan on going about each project, the station is going to be by far the toughest..."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 06, 2005, 02:08:01 AM
*Nods, and stands up and shakes his hand*

"Thank you, i hope your project goes well, i will be tying up unfinished tasks and then i will be returning here to help..."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 09, 2005, 05:42:01 AM
OOC: go to the thread "Division Command Office" In the forum "Freedom Station Ops"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Gary Fisher on June 13, 2005, 04:41:36 PM
The super sized hanger is built just for the docking the building of the Interceptor, it will remain empty for a while while contruction begins. It will be used for the conference to hold the number of people hoped to attend.

(ALL ENGINEERING STAFF REPORT - ANYONE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE CREW STEP RIGHT UP!;)
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Kelso Meyers on July 02, 2005, 05:51:43 AM
"Mr. Fisher,Kelso Meyers reporting, I was told to come here and report to you."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: James Madison on July 05, 2005, 02:22:14 AM
"Leave the details for Admiral Fisher upon his return."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 05, 2005, 07:00:58 AM
*nods*

"Well, if mr. Fisher and his crew can fit in the runabout i took here, then that won't be a problem, but until the Nautilus is finished...hmmm, she was sent to aid in Omega's defence...."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 05, 2005, 02:50:04 PM
"This sounds good then, thank you for coming Admiral. Any officers you have that would provide to the Interceptor Project, have them come to this station"
He tapped his comm badge.
"Cadet Myers, I can see you in here now"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: TomNasmith on July 09, 2005, 05:10:48 PM
*Enters*
"Reporting in as ordered to assist the Interceptor construction"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on June 22, 2005, 10:58:46 PM
Hobson walks to the Engineering center and finds Fisher.
"Admiral Fisher, do you have time to join me for a drink, in the Promenade? I am curious of your plans".
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 05, 2005, 01:10:49 AM
*walks in and pushes mr. tyqel aside*

"Mr. Fisher, I am Admiral Bailey of GreyWolf, I wanted discuss with you on the possibility of starting the construction of both our Division Space Station and Planetary Base."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 05, 2005, 03:01:32 AM
"A mystery planet...very odd, but interesting. We will have to take it a step at a time, one of your ships can transport Admiral Fisher and his crew when the time comes. Constructing the planet will probally happen first".
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 05, 2005, 02:43:22 PM
"Very well, if need be, we have people who though they are not engineers, they have some experience in it."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 07, 2005, 05:41:45 AM
He motioned to the Cadet to enter.
"Cadet Myers..Are you here for Command, Engineering, or both?"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: TomNasmith on July 09, 2005, 02:56:50 AM
*Enters the hanger*
"Hello, Commander Tom Nasmith here for the engineering department, formerly Chief Engineer on the U.S.S. Lothlorien. I can give you my service record if needed"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Gary Fisher on June 22, 2005, 11:01:51 PM
"I don't have alot of plans but the drink i'll take you up on. I have no Staff Tom so i'm helpless. An old man can't build the greated starship ever to be commissioned by himself."
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 05, 2005, 01:39:47 AM
Hobson smiled as he heard Tyqel speak of his father.
"Indeed I am, that was some time ago, needless to say my time at Starfleet Intelligence was cut short even though I avoided the court marshall...". He changed the subject abrubtly as another Admiral entered the facility. "...That sounds very nice, crewman...carry on!". He gave Tyqell a short smile and turned to Bailey.
"Admiral Bailey, what can I do for you? I am afraid Admiral Fisher is not here, he is on assignment at Station Avalon. Perhaps we can step into my office? It is good to see you in person finally, perhaps we can get the construction planned and happening"
   
"And Cadet Myers, You may come with me as well, I will give you assignment for your learning, you are here for Command Or Engineering? Or perhaps both? We can provide plenty of first hand learning for either"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 05, 2005, 02:42:10 AM
*nods*

"Of course, I was under the impression that mr. fisher would be here, but due to the conference, things must be finished, i hope you don't mind me staying for the conference, as i have a few ideas of my own...and needed some experience...don't mind getting my hands dirty..."

*follows hobson to his office and takes a seat*

"Well mr. hobson, The construction of our two facilities will not be an easy task...the station itself is very,very large...and the base is to be complete, to put it loosely, this planet, dubbed atlantis 1, is believed to be the lost home world of a long extinct race, this race was vastly superior in technology...their telepathic was unprecedented, it is believed they were far superior to even the Q...but they seemed to have met an untimely end...how, we do not know...will we find out,i don't know...but our aim is to try...and, our second reason behind such 'extravegance' is the strategic position of the spot, it is ideally positioned to be a stationing point for, if need be, an incursion into DA territory."

*he brings up some things on his PADD and hands it to Hobson*

"These are the specifications for the Station, and Planetary base..."


Castle Guard (planetary base)--

Area: 3,281,000 acres

Buildings:
-Engineering Shop
-Science/Research Facility
-Security Barracks, etc...
-Huge Research Facility (to explore the planet)
-Fighter Hanger
-Crew Quarters
-Medical Building (comprised of "sickbays", Biological, etc... research areas...biological containment vault (to store of viruses, etc...)
-Tactical Building, with a sensor tower (like airport control tower)
-Manufacturing Plant (where prototype parts, etc...can be built...)
-(There are other parts, but I am unable to think of them at the moment)

Deep Space 8


Dimensions Diameter : 8,781 m
Height (main) : 10,712 m
Height (overall) : 13,356 m4
Decks : 2,765
Mass 71,000,000 metric tons
Crew 85,000 Starfleet, typically 120,000 to 240,000 civilian
Armament 2000 x Type XII phaser arrays, total output 12,150,000 TeraWatts
96 x Type 2 burst fire photon torpedo tube
Defence Systems High Capacity shield system, total capacity 1,215,000 TeraJoules
Light Duranium/Tritanium Single hull.
Low level Structural Integrity Field
Docking Facilities Internal docking bay1 capable of holding up to two hundred starships, depending on type. Two hundred hangar bays capable of holding up to three thousand shuttlecraft
Warp Speeds
(TOS scale) Not capable of independent movement; attitude control and/or orbital adjustment only.
Strength Indices
(Galaxy class = 1,000) Beam Firepower : 243,000
Torpedo Firepower : 38,400
Weapon Range and Accuracy : 1,200
Shield Strength : 450
Hull Armour : 3.12
Speed : - *(rocket/boosters to make SS movable to be built later)
Combat Manueuvrability : - *
Overall Strength Index 77,074
Diplomatic Capability Thirty six Grade 7 systems
Expected Hull Life 180
Refit Cycle Minor : 5 year
Standard : 5 years
Major : 45 years

Notes : Although the Spacedock series of stations proved highly successful, by the 2330's Starfleet faced a problem with its latest ships. The trend had been for ever larger designs, and all projections were that this trend would continue for the forseeable future. The Spacedock stations needed considerable re-working of their main docking area in order to accomodate these ships, a re-working which would reduce the efficiency of the stations handling arrangements and cause serious problems to Starfleets maintanence schedules during the work. It was decided to build a small number of new, much larger facilities which would be easily capable of handling significant numbers of the largest starships.
The sheer size of these monsters was far beyond anything previously envisaged, a factor which weighed heavily on the minds of the design team. The original proposals called for an all-new station configuration, but the detailed design work for this would have taken at least fifteen years to complete. In order to cut this figure down as far as possible it was decided to follow the engineering of the successful Spacedock series.
Construction of Starbase 74, the first of the new facilities, begun in 2342. Despite many technical problems the project kept to its projected build time of sixteen years and the Starbase came on-line in 2358. Since this time two further facilities have been completed and two more are underway; Starfleet looks likely to petition for more of these facilities as the need for more and more starships becomes more pressing.

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Of course, we all know that Starbase 74 as seen in "11001001" was a re-use of the Spacedock model from Star Trek III, right? Right. However, the creators showed the Enterprise-D using the space doors of SB 74. The comments page for Spacedock contains a detailed discussion of the size of the space doors of Spacedock, coming to the conclusion that they are 256 metres across.
So how large is the Enterprise-D? Well, numerous sources list the ship as being 641 metres long, give or take a metre. According to the TNG TM co-ordinate system given on page 20, the port edge of the saucer section has the XYZ co-ordinates -27987,0,19418 - making the beam 2 x 279.87 = 559.74 metres.
However, this does not fit in very well with scale diagrams of the ship - even the one used to demonstrate the co-ordinate system itself! These uniformly yield a beam in the region of 470 metres.
For what it's worth, the DS9 TM entry on the Galaxy class gives a length of 642.51 metres and a beam of 463.73 metres. But it also gives the ship a height of 195.26 metres, which is a good 50 metres too high - at 195.26 metres, each of the 42 decks would be 4.65 metres high, which is far above the accepted deck heights.
In any case, the consensus of opinion seems to be that the ship is about 470 metres across - far too large to fit even the largest possible interpretation of the size of Spacedocks doors. We don't get a really good straight-on view of the E-D coming through the doors, but the saucer seems to clear the sides with about 20% to spare. This would make the doors about 590 metres across.
Since the makers used the same model for both stations, then we know that everything else on the station exterior is scaled up in size also. We get a ratio for the size of SB 74 to Spacedock of 2.3 : 1, giving SB 74 a diameter of 8,781 metres and an overall height of 13,360 metres.
This makes the station one of the largest we have ever seen in Trek - for that matter, amongst the largest in sci-fi as a whole. While structures like the Dyson Sphere or the Star Wars Death Star dwarf SB 74, the likes of Babylon 5 - which is five miles long - would just about fit into SB74's docking bay if it could get through the doors.
I know many people don't like the "scaled up design" idea much, but it can in fact work quite well so long as you stick to direct multiples. The biggest problem is in exterior windows, but in fact these are usually (not always) less than half the height of a given room. If we make one ship or structure exactly twice the size of another, then it is relatively simple to say that the windows on the uprated ship are twice as large compared to the decks, and that only every other deck has windows. This can work reasonably well with a 2x scale up - a 2.5 foot high window would be reasonable on a spacecraft, and a 5 foot window would still be reasonable. A 3x scale up can also work - our 2.5 foot window would end up as 7.5 feet, still within the deck heights of most ships. A 4x scale up pushes the limit, with 10 foot high windows - essentially we end up with a window that occupies the entire visible wall. For scale ups greater than 4x, we need to start increasing deck heights significantly and things start to get tricky from there.
Starbase 74's 2.3x scale factor indicates at least two possibilities :
Firstly, there could be a two-for-one deck substitution. Since the scale ratio is not an integer, the decks themselves would be higher in SB 74 by 15% - say from 3.75 metres to 4.3 metres. This would indicate that the later Starbase has significantly more headroom than the earlier Spacedock.
Alternately, there may be a three-for-one deck substitution. In this case each deck would be scaled down to 82% of its original value. If the original Spacedock had deck heights of around 4.5 metres, then Starbase 74 would have decks of 3.45 metres. This would indicate that the later Starbase has significantly less headroom than the earlier Spacedock.
Personally, I lean heavily toward the first idea. It's established in epsiodes such as "Relics" and "Trials and Tribbilations" that Starfleet accomodations have improved greatly over the last century or so, so more headroom certainly makes more sense for a later design. A two-for-one deck substitution also makes the windows a more reasonable size in both stations.
Apart from the sizes, almost everything else in the specs page is pure guesswork, since we know so little about these stations. Given that the station is a 2.3x scale up of Spacedock, its volume will be over twleve times greater. I have scaled up the crew by rather less than this, to provide for the far more luxurious accomodations which we could expect in a structure like this. Armament is scaled up by guestimated factors that just felt right to me.
Starbase 133 was seen in "Remember Me", and Lya Station Alpha was seen in "Ensign Ro"; both were similarly sized in relation to the Enterprise-D.
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: on July 05, 2005, 02:13:51 PM
"Unless weapons or some other major hinderance disrupts the engineering crew's, they should have no tough job of it". He smiles.
"I have no doubts in Admiral Fisher and his crew, they will return soon, if you would like to remain here untill then so he and his Crewman can travel with you. Several cargo ships will need to be prepared to carry supplies and officers, perhaps the USS Venture or USS Aztec will come to lend short aid. I might come before, but I will come when either station is complete. I will put it as a priority to Mr. Fisher, The Interceptor should be finished with Design soon, and that is what he must be working on, the construction of the ship does not totally beg him to remain here, only certain parts. Aside from that, part of the Interceptor Conference is to gather the best of Starfleet Engineering. Fresh minded Cadets, veteran admirals, chief's from ships who want thier engineers to learn more. It is an engineering excellence achievment"
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: lucasbailey on July 06, 2005, 02:10:26 AM
*leaves*
Title: Interceptor Project Hanger
Post by: Kelso Meyers on July 09, 2005, 04:41:19 AM
"Comand Sir..."