Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Taurik on January 19, 2008, 05:56:29 AM
Post by: Taurik on January 19, 2008, 05:56:29 AM
Oh dear lord, this is gonna go badly.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Julia Rellek on January 20, 2008, 06:14:47 AM
Post by: Julia Rellek on January 20, 2008, 06:14:47 AM
I'm brave enough to get into this. I am a huge Kusinich and Gravel fan.. however if i look at it realisticly, they don't stand a chance. I would personally vote for Kusinich. But of the front-runners i like Clinton the best. But i have absolutly no problem with voting for Obama if he gets the nomination..... he's a good candidate.
When i exam the issues health care and gay rights strike me as the most important. I tend to gravitate towards social issues rather than military and economical issues.
I think there is always room for intelligent political discussions. They are issues that concern us all.
When i exam the issues health care and gay rights strike me as the most important. I tend to gravitate towards social issues rather than military and economical issues.
I think there is always room for intelligent political discussions. They are issues that concern us all.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Quinn on January 20, 2008, 04:54:26 PM
Post by: Quinn on January 20, 2008, 04:54:26 PM
That's just wrong and funny at the same time..
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Lois on January 20, 2008, 05:09:13 PM
Post by: Lois on January 20, 2008, 05:09:13 PM
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Will Karelia on January 21, 2008, 01:58:20 AM
Post by: Will Karelia on January 21, 2008, 01:58:20 AM
My problem with Obama is that he's big into taxing the rich to give to the poor. And honestly, America's poor need to get off their ass and work. He wants to spend too much money on social programs, and we need to spend LESS money. His nickname in Congress is "Robin Hood", so says my aunt's boyfriend, who is an environmental advisor for Washington. I know that sounds too convenient, so take it as you will.
As for Clinton, I have to agree with Malcolm.
I personally am a fan of Ron Paul. I know some of his ideas are extreme, like the idea of dissolving the IRS and removing all income tax, but I'm a HUGE fan of his idea of keeping the federal government out of the lives of Americans as much as possible.
As for Clinton, I have to agree with Malcolm.
I personally am a fan of Ron Paul. I know some of his ideas are extreme, like the idea of dissolving the IRS and removing all income tax, but I'm a HUGE fan of his idea of keeping the federal government out of the lives of Americans as much as possible.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Lois on January 21, 2008, 03:08:41 AM
Post by: Lois on January 21, 2008, 03:08:41 AM
It's maybe now the world filters out the stupid and lazy..
Look at it this way. If your lazy and can't add 2+2 because you choose not to, than you end up homeless and without a job. You go no where, you are no one and you just don't make any impact on the planet... While the smart and active rise to the tops.. Er yeah..
What I'm saying is. Smart people are the big rocks in the jars and the dumb people are the tiny peices of sand that seep to the bottom..
And guess what? Big rocks can make a dent while sands can't.
That doesn't make sense ^
Look at it this way. If your lazy and can't add 2+2 because you choose not to, than you end up homeless and without a job. You go no where, you are no one and you just don't make any impact on the planet... While the smart and active rise to the tops.. Er yeah..
What I'm saying is. Smart people are the big rocks in the jars and the dumb people are the tiny peices of sand that seep to the bottom..
And guess what? Big rocks can make a dent while sands can't.
That doesn't make sense ^
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Will Karelia on January 22, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
Post by: Will Karelia on January 22, 2008, 12:29:25 AM
Helping people is fine, for instance, the guy who has a broken leg and can't go back to his manufacturing job, I'm fine with a little welfare. But when his leg gets better and he chooses not to go back to work, that's where I take issue.
The government isn't going to be able to help people that need it any more than they already are. That requires a change in personal conviction on the part of the welfare recipient, and no law or policy can do that. What the government needs to do is stop helping the people that don't need it, and force them to fend for themselves, or they never will.
"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Stop giving him fish, and he'll eventually catch his own."
The government isn't going to be able to help people that need it any more than they already are. That requires a change in personal conviction on the part of the welfare recipient, and no law or policy can do that. What the government needs to do is stop helping the people that don't need it, and force them to fend for themselves, or they never will.
"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Stop giving him fish, and he'll eventually catch his own."
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 19, 2008, 04:44:14 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 19, 2008, 04:44:14 AM
Any americans on EF, what do you think of the '08 election?
Me, I find it rather interesting. Especially in how wide open the GOP race is.
I'm supporting Barack Obame currently, but am looking at Kucinich, Gravel, and Edwards.
What issues are you most concerned?
Me, Economy, Gay rights, and Education.
Me, I find it rather interesting. Especially in how wide open the GOP race is.
I'm supporting Barack Obame currently, but am looking at Kucinich, Gravel, and Edwards.
What issues are you most concerned?
Me, Economy, Gay rights, and Education.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 19, 2008, 06:36:54 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 19, 2008, 06:36:54 AM
:LOL:
How so?
Debates can be civil, normally. I understand the cynicism, I often feel that way towards our current politicians.Oh, and if the debates devolves into, "Well you're a [expletive] Democrat," I'll personally stop it. Or, if I can't I'll ask for the thread closed. There's no point in senseless bickering, it only adds fuel to the (BS) partisan politics fire.
~M
How so?
Debates can be civil, normally. I understand the cynicism, I often feel that way towards our current politicians.Oh, and if the debates devolves into, "Well you're a [expletive] Democrat," I'll personally stop it. Or, if I can't I'll ask for the thread closed. There's no point in senseless bickering, it only adds fuel to the (BS) partisan politics fire.
~M
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 20, 2008, 08:55:16 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 20, 2008, 08:55:16 AM
Clinton? *sighs* Not another one.
Just kidding.
The main reason why i dont support clinton is, well....Bush,Clinton,Bush,Clinton(?)....doesn't sound appealing. We really don't need another president that has either a name connected to sex, or an act. (
)
With Obama, besides his platform, and stance on issues, I love that he's credible, has high integrity, and an intellegince to boot. He's repatedly stood by his word, in not being one of the same. i.e. another...clinton.
Just kidding. The main reason why i dont support clinton is, well....Bush,Clinton,Bush,Clinton(?)....doesn't sound appealing. We really don't need another president that has either a name connected to sex, or an act. (
)With Obama, besides his platform, and stance on issues, I love that he's credible, has high integrity, and an intellegince to boot. He's repatedly stood by his word, in not being one of the same. i.e. another...clinton.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Lois on January 20, 2008, 05:05:30 PM
Post by: Lois on January 20, 2008, 05:05:30 PM
Here's a few videos from my country to yours to pass the time..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYK13DUxkU&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uApZuZ6RPy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYK13DUxkU&feature=user
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uApZuZ6RPy4
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Julia Rellek on January 20, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
Post by: Julia Rellek on January 20, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
OMG, that is hilarious.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 20, 2008, 09:40:26 PM
Post by: Malcolm on January 20, 2008, 09:40:26 PM
Haha, that is awesme. 
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 21, 2008, 02:28:01 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 21, 2008, 02:28:01 AM
I like ron paul too, but disagree with some of his suggestion for cuts.
Hey now, i resemble that comment. Seriously though. I believe in helping people help themsevles, and that's what I see with Obama. He's not into giving them money, he's into help people. Into making sure that everyone has the chance, and the help in moving up the ladder.
Oh, and Clinton wins, I'm moving to Mexico - or, preferrably - Spain. Somewhere warm.
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| And honestly, America's poor need to get off their ass and work. He wants to spend too much money on social programs, and we need to spend LESS money. His nickname in Congress is "Robin Hood", so says my aunt's boyfriend, who is an environmental advisor for Washington. I know that sounds too convenient, so take it as you will. |
Hey now, i resemble that comment.
Seriously though. I believe in helping people help themsevles, and that's what I see with Obama. He's not into giving them money, he's into help people. Into making sure that everyone has the chance, and the help in moving up the ladder. Oh, and Clinton wins, I'm moving to Mexico - or, preferrably - Spain. Somewhere warm.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 21, 2008, 03:35:27 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 21, 2008, 03:35:27 AM
I still stand by what I said.
Title: 2008 U.S. Election
Post by: Malcolm on January 22, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
Post by: Malcolm on January 22, 2008, 04:21:29 AM
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| The government isn't going to be able to help people that need it any more than they already are. That requires a change in personal conviction on the part of the welfare recipient, and no law or policy can do that. What the government needs to do is stop helping the people that don't need it, and force them to fend for themselves, or they never will. |
Granted, that's why I setting up a welfare system that encourages, if not requires effort in finding a job or educating yourself. Something, anything needs to be done. But yes, you are right, it comes down to the individual(s). Still, I think we should help them help themsevles.
Don't let them die off; I'm not a fan of economic/social darwanism. Sorry, but thats the government copping out.